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Message: Resignation Planned
Author: Lauchum - Nesnut Hatshepsut
Date: Mar 17, 1999 21:57
Fellow Etruscologists!
I am disappointed in the lack of activity on this board, and I feel that it is largely my fault. As Lauchum of this group I do not spend sufficient time to bolster up the energy and drum up new members. In conclusion I feel I should resign as Lauchum and give the job to someone who feels they can devote the time to get this board up and running the way a group about Etruscans deserves to be.
Anyone who would like the job please apply on my message board.
Thank you.
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Message: Welcome your new Lauchum!
Author: Zilach - Nesnut Hatshepsut
Date: Mar 18, 1999 21:10
Fabrisia Fabius is new Lauchum of Etruria –
I am sure she will do a wonderful job.
I stay on as Zilach.
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Message: Greetings
Author: Lauchum - Fabrisia Fabius
Date: Mar 18, 1999 21:20
I am extremely excited to be the Lauchum of Etruria.
I hope we can stimulate some wondeful conversations and discussions here. I think I would like to start off with everyone introducing themselves..just a bit about who you are and why you are interested in Etruria.
I hope this will allow us to get to know each other and form a stronger bond of shared knowledge. I think a 'study' group would be a wonderful use of this board. We don't have a lot of members so this could work to our advantage.
Please feel free to visit my home and leave a message or email me at Fabrisia@Fabrisia.com
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Message: If I may suggest
Author: - Callista Atrebas
Date: Mar 21, 1999 08:33
Members can submit articles to the newspapers, both Rome's and others, on the lifestyle, language, cities and other aspects of Etruscan culture and people. Let the rest of AS know this civilization lived and breathed and had an impact on Italy before Rome.
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Message: The interaction with VirtualRome/The Regia group
Author: - QuintusCinna Cocceius, Patron
Date: Mar 26, 1999 20:59
The previous leader of Etruria, Nesnut Hatshepsut, had accepted the idea of having the leader of Etruria always run the province Etruria in The Regia/Virtual Rome. The leader of Etruria would be in charge of enlisting high councilmen for various cities in Etruria. You can go to the Regia which represents the city of Rome, at www.ancientsites.com/group/The_Regia/ or visit Virtual Rome at www.ancientsites.com/~QuintusCinna_Cocceius/ The leader of Etruria would be the representative of the region and could not control the promotion or dismissal of the military or religious clergy.
A person must be already a group member in Etruria to become a mayor in an Etruscan city. Role-playing can occur.
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Message: It's Official! Tuscus as Lauchum
Author: Maatibre - Nesnut Hatshepsut
Date: Sep 22, 1999 07:58
The group edit tools work and I have transferred group leadership to Tuscus Sempronius. I wish him the best of luck with this group.
I will remain on as second in command, but probably do little more than read and post on ocassion.
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Message: Thank you!
Author: tail wagging - Tuscus Sempronius, Patron
Date: Sep 25, 1999 11:28
Thank you, Nesnut. Hello, Everyone! I'm looking forward to more people becoming active in one of the group projects, and in taking and making suggestions for revitalizing Etruria.
Right now not a lot of people are visiting (or at least posting). Is this just a down cycle? What can we do to make Etruria an interesting and lively place to visit? What would you like to see at Etruria? More topics discussed? A thread for the idiosyncratic, quirky, creative, imaginative--stories, poems, jokes, fantasies, etc.--on the Etruscans?
More resources and links for studying the Etruscans?
Wine and song? Tours of individual cities and sites?
An Etruscan presence in Virtual Rome?
Etruscan gladiatorial games (yes, they started them)?
Jump in, fellow Etruscans!
Tuscus
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Message: Festival!!
Author: - Tuscus Sempronius, Patron
Date: Oct 13, 1999 14:25
Announcing . . . The first ETRURIA FULL MOON FESTIVAL Moon-madness!
Trivia contests!
Prizes for just attending!
Good cheer!
Join your fellow Etrurians in the Etruria Chatroom on Sunday, October 24th at 9:00pm Ancient Sites time for the first Etruria Full Moon Festival. Volunteers welcome! Contact Tuscus Sempronius for details.
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Message: Let's light a fire, lift a goblet, and talk!
Author: - Tuscus Sempronius, Patron
Date: Nov 9, 1999 11:53
So here we are, lounging in this great little wineshop called the Red Eagle just off Flat Street in my hometown of Curtun (Cortona). What's on your mind, my friend? Nobody else to bother us--it's still early yet. Etruscan elegance in the bronze candelabra, the wall paintings, the hearth irons. Good cloaks on our shoulders against the November air. Another log for the fire? Let's make it roar! Ah, good, a flute-player! Give us that love song that's been going around. You know the words "Dawn finds me dreaming, but awake it's the same. In the quiet of morning I whisper your name."
Love! Life's too short with it, too long without it. Good! Here are some others whose mouths are dry, who come seeking sweet wine and good talk to ease the day's end. Let's ask them to join us. You, there -- wine for you, if you've got a story for us . . . Yes? Excellent! Anybody got one to share??
Tuscus
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Message: Resignation
Author: lauchum - Tuscus Sempronius, Patron
Date: Jan 24, 2000 19:13
Hello, Everyone I will be absent from Ancient Sites and Etruria for an extended period, and therefore I am resigning as lauchum. Please contact zilach Nesnut Hatshepsut if you are interested in serving in this position.
Vale.
Tuscus
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Message: Sad News
Author: Lauchum - Nesnut Hatshepsut, Patron
Date: Jan 26, 2000 08:56
I, for one, am really sorry to see Tuscus go. It's sad news for Etruria. Not the least of which is that I have little time to take care of this group - being group leader of three Egyptian groups. I really encourage any Etrurian enthusiast to apply for leadership of the group at my home. It really doesn't require too much - time to check on new applications, willingness to post regularly and encourage others to post.
Etruria has been a small and somewhat quiet group throughout it's history - but I still think it represents a valuable space here, discussing this wonderful and mysterious culture. With the right leadership it could go places.
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Message: Needed: Leadership Material!
Author: Lauchum - Nesnut Hatshepsut, Patron
Date: May 23, 2000 07:49
Etruria is a group full of potential that seems to be puttering along at slower than snail's pace. I just don't have the time, at this point in my life, to renew my Etruscan studies to contribute to this group sufficiently to help inspire posting.
Most of my Etruria members may not know me outside this group - but I lead three Egyptian groups: Maatkare (for the study of women in Ancient Egypt and the ancient World), WeaversGuild (for the study of the common everyday folk of the ancient World), and Qenbet (a recreation of Ancient Egypt during the Greco-Roman period). This is really more than enough for one person!
I founded Etruria over a year ago now to celebrate one of my other favorite ancient peoples - but I always had the hope that it would be of sufficient interest to move along without me. Mainly I wanted a place to post when I found out something new about Etruscans (my main interest is in their art).
In the past I have asked for leaders to step forward - and now I do it again. If there is someone out there who thinks they have what it takes to kickstart the discussion here and be Lauchum - please apply at my home.
This group has potential - let's realize it.
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Message: How do we get the group going?
Author: - Camitlnas Tullius
Date: May 28, 2000 07:38
Ok the group is just ticking over at the moment. Maybe its time to ask ourselves what we need to do to get it going. Obviously Nesnut had other commitments, and (like myself) doesn't have much time to offer to Etruria at the moment.
Surely the success of the group is not up to one person. It takes the involvement of evryone to make this group work. Now I for one think that Etruria is an important Group, if not the most important in Ancient Sites. For it was via the Rasenna then the Romans after them that civilisation as we know it spread throughout Europe and from there the world.
I suspect that the fire of civilisation was kept burning in Etruria for a lot longer that modern historians believe. Was it by accident that after the long Dark Ages the rebirth of civilisation took place around Florence - That Michelangelo and other renaissance artists drew a lot of their inspiration from the necropolis and other artwork of the Etruscans? The Etruscans have got to be the most disinherited people in ancient history. For example the fact that the Romans had to invent a fictitious versions of history to account for a totally non Etruscan origin for Rome – A version of history which is still taught in schools today.
The more one reads about these remarkable people the clearer it becomes that without their presence in the Italian peninsula, the world today would be a totally different place. I suspect a lot of people are hanging back because they "Don't have anything worthy to contribute". Well I would say to them anything you contribute is worthy at the moment. I think we all need to show some tolerance. There is plenty of room in the board for everyone. Even the wild theories should be discussed openly. Maybe we need a topic entitled "Wild Theories" or "Foot in Mouth" or something of that nature. I find in business that brain storming sessions can be a very useful technique. Two basic rules. Everyone can contribute on an equal basis, and there is no immediate shooting down of other peoples views in flames.
What do others think about this?
Do we stick rigidly to a solidly academic group where nobody wants to say anything because they don't have anything worthy to contribute or because they feel that someone else might shoot them down in flames? Well my opinion for what its worth is that nobody knows very much about the Etruscans. They are a very mysterious race of people, and that is one of the attractions about them. The more discussion we have on them, the better we shall get to know them. Even role playing might have a place, although its not something I'm particularly interested in myself.
Maybe I'm wrong here. It could be simply the fact that we don't have enough population in the group who are interested in the Etruscans.
Anyway that's my 5 cents worth :)
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Message: Great Post!
Author: Lauchum - Nesnut Hatshepsut, Patron
Date: May 28, 2000 14:51
Lots of worthwhile points and I hope there are people reading this post (see previous). As for roleplay, we thought about it when we started the group, but it was a dead duck too - and in the end we decided we didn't want it. I suppose we could reconsider it, but frankly I would caution against it at this point.
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Message: Two cents
Author: - Aulus Flaminius
Date: Jun 5, 2000 16:07
I thought I would add my two cents. Firstly it is with sadness that I see Pharoh Nesnut retiring from the post of Lauchum.We have Nesnut to thank for the groups existence.
Secondly I am glad we don't go in for role playing at Etruria. I in my brief presence at AS have seen some pretty nasty goings on, all as a result of role playing; in Tara, in Machu Pichu in particular, and in Rome as well though I want to specifically exclude the Regia.
Although this is my first posting at the group I want you to know that Etruria is THE group for me. I visit our boards almost every single day. Perhaps I am not the only "ghostly" presence here; here, but invisible.
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Message: Salve Aulus
Author: Lauchum - Nesnut Hatshepsut, Patron
Date: Jun 8, 2000 07:41
Actually I'm not leaving ever - just trying to find an active lauchum for our little group. I still haven't heard from anyone who feels they could do the job, so here I am.
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Message: New Lauchum!
Author: Zilach - Nesnut Hatshepsut, Patron
Date: Jun 8, 2000 19:42
Please everyone, join me in welcoming our new Lauchum Camitlnas Tullius!
Let's all wish him the very best and give him all the support he needs in keeping Etruria an active group for the study of the Etruscan people!
He certainly knows a great deal more than I do.
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Message: Re: New Lauchum
Author: Lauchum - Camitlnas Tullius, Patron
Date: Jun 8, 2000 22:13
Fellow Lucomones,
It is with great honour that I accept the post of Lauchum. I believe it will be a great challenge to follow such illustrious lights of Etruria as Nesnut Hatshepsut, founder of the Group, and Tuscus Sempronius, founder of the Etruscan library, who held the post before her.
I should start by saying that I am in no way an expert on the Rasenna and that if you find fault with anything I say about the Rasenna either in the bulletin board or on my Web pages, that you let me know. I also wish to thank those who asked me to consider taking up the post, as I would not have considered applying without their support.
I believe a story is in order at this stage: It dates back to the time of the expulsion of the tyrant Tarquinius Superbus (Tarchun) as the last king of Rome. The influential inhabitants of the city of Rome at this time were mainly of Etruscan background. It was their mounting pressure against Tarquinius as much as anything that led to his expulsion and the formation of the Roman Republic. The end of the monarchy in Rome was part of a process which was already spreading through the rest of Etruria. Rome as a relatively minor city of the Etruscan civilisation was no special case. The rape of Lucretia by Sextus Tarquinius was of course the final straw. At this time the concept of the absolute monarch was so distasteful to most of Etruria that Tarchun could not get the necessary support from the Etruscan league to regain power. Lars Porsenna of Clusium was his only hope, and by the time Lars Porsenna had invaded Rome, Tarchun had lost favour with him.
According to the Austrian Etruscologist Ambros Josef Pfiflig, "After the abolition of the monarchy towards the end of the sixth century, first the Etruscan Aristocracy everywhere seized power, and then the upper bourgoisie, in imitation of the aristocrats. The twelve cities were at this time republics controlled by a plutocratic nobility ......Real slavery like that of Greece and Rome probably did not exist in free Etruria. It was more a sort of vassalage of the older Italic populations.
So to bring us back to the moral of the story, I accept the position of Lauchum in the later tradition - that of the post 6th Century move towards democracy. As fellow Lucomones, I trust that you, the members, and aristocracy of Etruria will help me to make this group of ours great. My own belief is that the group is a very important one, perhaps the most important in Ancient Sites, since it was the Etruscan civilisation which brought true civilisation to Europe.
The Minoan and Mycenian civilisations preceded them of course, but without the Etruscans, the Roman Empire which had much wider consequences for subsequent history would probably never have happened. Every year, archeologists are finding more and more examples of just how advanced this civilisation was, and how much pf what was previously attributed to the Romans, is actually Etruscan in origin.
Although I may be accused of being revolutionary by this statement, I do not believe that the group Etruria belongs under Rome. It was a great civilisation in its own right, and I believe that eventually we will be citizens of a free Etruria. My own plans include in the short term, the expansion of my web pages, and the long term, the Encyclopaedia Tuscana which will be an alphabetical master reference to all things Etruscan, although the latter may take several years to get off the ground.
Mi Camitlnas zich ita Tuthina Rasna
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Message: The survival of AS
Author: Lauchum - Camitlnas Tullius, Patron
Date: Aug 4, 2000 17:14
I am also the Comitia Tributa representative for Tullius, and many of you may see this message on your family boards. However , many families were unrepresented at this meetings, so I thought it would be a good idea to repost it here since many people do not check their family boards: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
At the CT meeting today, the subject of the Vines was discussed. It is seen by some as a way of giving us a watered down version of Ancient Sites without the Families. It was suggested that all reps put it to the families that they should check out "The Vines" - and I must confess I havent seen it yet. If you agree that it is a bad idea and that we want to preserve AS the way it is, then send an email to AS feedback and copy the email to the thread on the Complaints department to keep AS together. There is even a rumour that AS would be shut down and replaced by the vines, but the feeling is that it is just a rumour at this stage.
Ave atque Vale
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Message: Rumours
Author: Lauchum - Camitlnas Tullius, Patron
Date: Aug 9, 2000 09:34
From what I can see, rumours about Ancient Sites coming to an end are highly exaggerated. The intention is for The Vines to exist side by side with AS, and AS would be integrated, in other words remain as is, but with the addition of Ancient Vines. If anyone has heard something concrete to the contrary, please let us know. So, lets get back to business as usual.
Some of you may notice that Etruria has hit the headlines in the two Newspapers of Rome. Some of my posts in Historia Romana regarding the foundation of Rome met with some stiff opposition. It seems that old Romans die hard :) I intend to stick with this thread as time permits.
The next bit doesnt really belong in important announcements, sorry in advance:) I think it was Moomsen in the 19th century that first drew attention to the old myths.
Unfortunately so many of the old myths have been replaced with new myths, as Massimo Palattino writes in "The Etruscans". On a related subject - the influence of the Romans:
We all know that Ancient Rome and the Latin language continues to have enormous influences even today. Apart from the odd latin phrase quod vidae: exempli gratia, id est, et cetera, up to the middle of the century (I'll have to start saying last century nexy year) the English Language itself was greatly influenced by Latin grammar. Nowadays, having recovered from the unnatural Latin grammatical structures, having now dispensed at length with the tortuous fossils of Latin grammar, having thrown off the Rhetorical structures of Cicero et al, we can breath easy and start speaking and writing natural English again. *grin*
I hate to think what it was like for the Romance languages, given the influences on a Germanic language such as English. So in the lead up to the 21st Century perhaps we can also free our minds from some of the historical baggage of the Romans, and look with an open mind at the history of Early Rome. If it was the Etruscan influence of say Palustrina that was being discussed, then there would be no problem, but when we start talking about te Etruscan past of Rome, there are brick walls looming. Yet Paulstina (and indeed Campania) was further away from Etruria than Rome.
Lastly, I am not one to avoid controversy, and I have so far looked at positive influences by the Etruscans on the Romans. But what of negative influences? For example, the Christian Religion from the gospels is very big on forgiving. For example - turn the other cheek, walk the extra mile. But how does that fit in with the Holy Roman Inquisition? or the rigid stance of the Church on science during the renaissance period which saw such people as Galileo and Copernicus persecuted for applying logic thought. Was this not a fall back to older religious influences on Rome.
OK the Holy Roman Empire and the Roman empire are totally different I know, but there is a continuity there. We know that the Greeks with Plato and Aristotle had developed rational thought to a much greater extent than the Romans ever did. We know that Eratosthenes actually estimated the diameter of thr Earth. Yet this influence was largely ignored in favour of a Roman pseudo science that was the predominant force in medieval education (For example Martianus Capella was a favoured Roman author for school curricula during this period)
Much of the later pseudo science written during the late imperial period (in my opinion) has echoes of the disciplina etrusca in it. From this viewpoint it could be argued that the Etruscans actually held up the development of science some 1400 years after their demise.(the revenge of the Etruscans?) *grin*
On the other hand, it could be argued that Etruscan Art actually inspired the rebirth of civilisation itself :) These are admitedly some very loose thoughts designed to inspire discussion. What are your thoughts? I would welcome any comments either for or against -*grin* even if like 95% of the world's media, you believe we are actually in the 21st Century now :) o tempores! - o mores!
I sometimes think we are entering another dark age. A happy new year to all Ancient Egyptians
Camitlnas
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Message: Velthur Valerius - Haruspex of Etruria
Author: Lauchum - Camitlnas Tullius, Patron
Date: Nov 11, 2000 16:39
Velthur Valerius has been appointed as Haruspex of Etruria due to his invaluable contributions to this board. Knowing Velthur, I don't think he will rest on his laurels, and we shall continue to enjoy the excellent articles he has posted in future. See the following page for all Etruria position holders: http://www.ancientsites.com/xi/group/hall/roomA.rage?group=Etruria&city=Rome Thanks Velthur for your Etruscan spirit.
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Message: Announcement in Archaeologica
Author: Zilach Caisras - Tanaquil Sergius, Patron
Date: Dec 28, 2000 17:25
mlach everyone,
I have posted an ad on behalf of the CDPE in Archaeologica today.
Also, I have updated my Caere Site (again!!!): there are some new features there, like links to articles on AS. I will expand this feature with links to the AncientVine (where available) on Etruscology and articles provided by our own fellow Etruscans! There is another new feature: "Announcements about the CDPE on Ancient Sites", to keep informed about the latest ads about us on AS.
And: I updated the Banner Page!!!!
have fun!
turanniles, Tanaquil Sergius, Zilach Caisras
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Message: WISHES
Author: - Franciscus Porcius
Date: Dec 31, 2000 06:37
My best wishes to you all for a great 2001 full of new discoveries.
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Message: "commercial" banner CDPE
Author: maru meras zilchlac cisrs - Tanaquil Sergius, Patron
Date: Jan 9, 2001 18:19
Mlach s'purenals mechl Rasnal,
I posted a sort of "commercial" banner for the CDPE...Not to commercialize the CDPE, but to bring it under the notion of all the members of AS. If the "demi-gods" are favourable, the banner will be shown on the frequently reloading commercial window at the top of the AS screen. Unfortunately I cannot show it to all of you here, because I haven't been able to put it on my webpages today, due to the fact that I couldnt get into my webpage editor....I will retry this action a.s.a.p.
many greetings, Thanchvil Cilnei/Tanaquil Sergius
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